What makes a woman beautiful?

Is it shiny blonde locks that tumble gracefully down her back?

Is it perfectly groomed brows with arches that peak just above the iris?

Is it wide, sparkling eyes framed by thick, dark lashes?

Full, pouty lips?

High cheekbones?

Large, taut breasts that sit high on her chest?

A tiny, trim waste punctuated by tight, defined abs and a perfectly formed navel?

Slim hips that slightly contrast the waist but allow for a clear view of two angular bones at either side?

A smooth, round and full butt?

Long, slender arms with a bit of muscle definition?

Tight, thin thighs and golden tan legs that go on and on?

Must a woman possess these traits to be beautiful? Are Jessica Alba and Angelina Jolie and Pamela Anderson the only possible formulas for female beauty?

I've read that physical beauty is subconsciously determined by symmetry, but I don't really buy that. Beauty standards seem to change with time and culture. I believe that the media, that Hollywood, that magazines and tv shows and movies and porn dictate to us what we find attractive.

We are a shallow culture.

Our men are shallow.

The saying goes that inner beauty shines through and makes someone beautiful or vice versa, but it seems to me that inner beauty counts little when it comes to many men. Inner beauty is not some magical pixie dust or some neon sign that blinks "sweet, funny girl" or "unbelievable bitch" on and off in order to aid the male species in dating.

Guess how you discover inner beauty?

You get to know someone.

You talk to her and hear her thoughts on PETA and the new Mustang and Aerosmith and abortion and Chinese food. You watch the way her eyes light up and she becomes animated and passionate when she talks about something she loves (this does not include herself). You spend enough time with her to realize that she has a way about her that puts you at ease. You admire the way her nose crinkles when she laughs because she shares your warped sense of humor. You watch her do something she's great at...the way she sweetly and calmly deals with an irate customer, the flurry of activity she engages in when she's under deadline, the tender way she puts her child to bed...and you admire her unique abilities. You discover that her mind is just as dirty as yours.

It goes on and on.

When a man sees a hot girl in a tiny little bikini with a beautiful smile and huge knockers strolling down the beach, he is NOT seeing inner beauty. His attraction is PHYSICAL. He is attracted to her because all his life he's been taught that she is beautiful.

The single mom in the one piece with the crooked teeth and manly legs digging a moat around her kid's sand castle? He's not going to give her the time of day. He'll never know if she's beautiful or not. She might be creepy beyond belief (just like the bikini babe might be, but he'd be willing to deal with creepy in order to sleep with her and have her on his arm in public), but it's just as likely that she's fun as hell to be around, considerate and kind, and incredibly talented in the sack.

But he'll never know.

Inner beauty isn't tits. Inner beauty isn't a tight pair of size 2 jeans. Inner beauty isn't sparkling eyes.

We are so hung up on a very rigid standard of beauty...and so obsessive in our search for it...that we dupe ourselves into believing that outward physical "perfection"...that our purely shallow attraction to someone...is an indication that they have inner beauty.

Maybe this is just the rant of an ugly girl. Maybe I'm just jealous because a bit of pudge rests over the waist of my jeans when I sit down. Maybe I'm jealous because my lips are too thin or because my breasts don't sit directly beneath my collar bones.

This is possible.

But I am raising young boys, and I think about this a lot, and what I see is a culture of ravenous, shallow men who rely on Maxim magazine and Spike TV to tell them who is worthy of their time. I see a culture of men who truly believe that lust is love. I see a culture of men who are scared of real women and who would rather have sex with themselves than get to know a woman who isn't Playboy-approved.

This isn't likely to change anytime soon...so until then we women will keep up with the crunches and the salad lunches and the implants and the highlights and collagen injections in hopes that we'll warrant a second glance.

Sad.

Physical beauty fades...remember this, men.

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on Apr 26, 2005
at what point does it go from "looking your best" to feeding the beast of unrealistic and completely shallow beauty standards?


you answered your own question w/ a line from the original piece.

So, until then, we women will keep up with the crunches and the salad lunches
The implants and the highlights and collagen injections


I'm drawing the line after the salad lunches and before the implants... There, I said it.

I tried to go to your blog to read and reply, because the link from the forum is screwed up. Unfortunately the one on your blog page won't bring up the comments block. so it's going to be a painful process, but i'll make it. This attempt at a response is only a test.
on Apr 26, 2005
As you've said, physical beauty isn't everything. It first attracts but if there's nothing good on the inside then I'm not going to stay around. I'm not going to say that I don't pay attention to looks...it's built in. The beauty that counts, though, is on the inside...her mind. I would like an intelligent, talented girl with a good sense of humor. If she's beautiful beyond my wildest dreams...well, that's awesome too. If it's only looks then, no...she's not the one for me. I'd prefer someone with an IQ greater than that of her cleavage.

~Zoo
on Apr 26, 2005
"What Makes a Woman Beautiful?"


Junk in the trunk...

... oh, wait, I accidently proved your point. Gah, I HATE it when I do that...
on Apr 26, 2005
are all of the comments cut in half for everyone else too? this is soooo annoying!
on Apr 26, 2005
Moderateman:
her heart, her soul, her sense of humor, and her magnificent brain.


That's beautiful...and spoken like someone who knows the love of a good woman.

imajinit:
I'm drawing the line after the salad lunches and before the implants... There, I said it.


I dunno...looking for a mate with a healthy lifestyle (particularly when living healthy is a big part of your own life) is fine...but I'm not willing to skip the steak or eat grapes while my man munches on Doritos, and I personally would not be happy with someone that expected that from me.

Exercise? Fine. I walk my kid to and from school every morning and make about 20 trips up and down the stairs everyday. Seriously, though, while wanting your mate to be active for the good of their health is a good thing, I think the whole "crunches" and tight body expectations can be carried too far.

I tried to go to your blog to read and reply, because the link from the forum is screwed up. Unfortunately the one on your blog page won't bring up the comments block. so it's going to be a painful process, but i'll make it. This attempt at a response is only a test.


Yeah, JU is doing screwy stuff to this thread.

Zoo:
I would like an intelligent, talented girl with a good sense of humor. If she's beautiful beyond my wildest dreams...well, that's awesome too. If it's only looks then, no...she's not the one for me. I'd prefer someone with an IQ greater than that of her cleavage.


Physical attraction is important. No doubt. But I think that the search for someone that fits this ideal beauty mold can blind us from seeing people for who they really are. It sounds like you have your head on straight to me.

Bakerstreet:
Junk in the trunk...


Bwahahahhahahaaha...the only junk in my trunk is a boogie board and a portable TV/VCR...guess that don't count, huh?

... oh, wait, I accidently proved your point. Gah, I HATE it when I do that...


Nice.

imajinit:
are all of the comments cut in half for everyone else too? this is soooo annoying!


The comments are tiny little boxes here on my end...weird...
on Apr 26, 2005
SHE: I know a teacher in my district who met her fiancee at our gym. He's the absolute sweetest guy on earth. Going to the gym isn't a BAD thing...


and we've all seen your pictures TW... you're a very beautiful woman, so forgive me for saying this, but you lose some of your credibility in trying to pick up the flag and crusade for the women who were not blessed in the looks department.


I'm going to disagree with you. Brandie is absolutely *BEAUTIFUL* to my eyes. But when a woman looks in the mirror...she doesn't see what everyone else sees. She tends to see all the flaws and imperfections. But this is just coming from someone who got clubbed with an ugly stick.

I've never been pretty, and I'll never BE pretty according to society's standards. I could go work out for hours on end and lift weights, and really, all I would do is bulk up so I look like Ah-nold. Women tend to be programmed to compare themselves to one another. I'm one of those women that *NEVER* measures up. Ever. And my "conscious" reminds me of that ALL the time. Getting ready for work? Ugh. Another horrible hair day. Getting ready for church? Yup. Look at that horrendous fat roll that will NEVER go away.

I'm one of those women every day that has to wonder why her man is with her. Physically...I don't stand a chance. He's not perfect either, but...I just feel I'm the bottom of the barrell as far as physicalities go.

Most normal men are just worried about penis size, right? Ryan doesn't worry about his belly or his grey hair at 26 or his unshaven beard or his uncut toenails or fingernails. He's worried about his "performance" more than anything I'd guess...

~shrugs~

Great article, Brandie. Again, you hit the nail right on the head. And coming from another woman...I think you are *gorgeous*...in every way that a woman can be gorgeous. That little belly pooch ain't nothing, babe. You got a heart the size of Texas.
on Apr 26, 2005
Tex, i think you misunderstood what i was trying to say concerning Jeanna Fine (the porn star). Jeanna Fine has a very nice body....but that is where it all ends. I do not find her so much as pretty or especially not beautiful. My wife on the other hand, I do...she turns me on just by walking into the room. I come home from work at night, and if she is in bed....it is tough for me to NOT maul her in bed.

My wife, to me, has the sexy-hot AND the pretty-beautiful...all wrapped up in one. But, when i look at a porn star like Jeanna Fine, all i see is the sexy-hot.....

Believe me...my wife DOES get me turned on...and that is just by seeing her.

Hopefully, that clears it all up....
on Apr 26, 2005
I think that physical attraction is being manipulated by these insane societal standards, and that's really sad.


that's one way to look at it, but I really don't think it's true. While there are guys who 'only' give the time of day to women who look like they should be in Cosmo, there are just as many who can appreciate a woman who isn't perfect.

Beauty is beauty... what they put in Maxim is dictated by what we like to look at... it's not the other way around.

If these things are not important to "beauty," then why do men's magazines and movies and everything else in the frickin world only feature women who line up with all these details?


I just don't agree that there are strict rules and rigid standards of what's beautiful in terms of what women appear in magazines. Angelina Jolie, Ashley Judd, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Jennifer Aniston... these women are not all carbon copies of one another. 9 out of 10 men would probably agree that they are HOT! but they're still not all the same.

This type of attitude...these lofty expectations...frustrate me. If all men thought like this, where would we non-Maxim women be? And it seems that this attitude is more and more prevalent. I really hope that I can teach my boys better than this.


There's a really simple way to sum this up, and I don't think anyone has pointed it out yet in this thread. What if I say that I want someone who's pride in their appearance and dedication to staying in shape closely mirrors my own? Is that fair? Can't I have these 'lofty expectations' as long as i'm going to hold myself to the same standard? If I'm going to work out, eat right, and stay in shape, then why would I want to date someone that plans to 'let themselves go' after walking down the aisle? (for example)

Does pride in appearance mean that a woman must diet and work out constantly so that she can wear a size six? Does pride in appearance mean that a woman must forgo sweats and a pony tail for jeans and a tight top and full hair and make up to walk the dog or lounge around the house for a movie day? Can her nails be short and unpolished? Can she be 10, 20, 30 pounds overweight? Can she have crooked teeth? Can she wear her glasses instead of contacts? Can she wear something comfortable?


I don't have the answer to all of these questions, as I'm sure you know... what I can tell you is that it varies from couple to couple. I consider myself a regular joe, which means that i don't care what her hair looks like in the morning, or if she lounges around the house in sweats (personally i think it's kinda hot)... everyone has bad breath and bedhead in the morning... even Brad Pitt. I don't know about the other guys, but I don't care what her nails look like... glasses? crooked teeth? This is what I was trying to say when i said that it's all just details... we all have our faults, and most of us realize that. I've dated women w/ crooked teeth, women with glasses, and women with acne. BUT HERE'S THE KICKER! Would i date a woman w/ all of the above? probably not. I'm SUCH an asshole. But if i had acne, glasses and crooked teeth, I wouldn't be trying to date women that were 'out of my league' either.

once again it's all in where you draw the line. There's nothing wrong with contacts in my book. Nor is there anything wrong with braces. or even tetracycline.

But even if I were beautiful, I don't see how that would hinder my ability to speak out about this.


because it's like rich kids speaking out for rights for poor people living in the ghetto... they can do it, but let's face it, they don't really know what it's like to be poor.
on Apr 26, 2005
I could debate this stuff with you all day and all night, because I think about it all the time. My last point (for the moment) is this:

What makes a woman beautiful
What makes a woman sexy
What makes a relationship last
What makes a marriage work

These things may run side by side w/ each other, they may intersect at times, they may coincide on a regular basis, but they are not always the same thing.

Beauty (mutual attraction?) gets you in the door, sexy keep us interested, sex gets us down the aisle, but eventually the relationship has to progress past these superficial things or its doomed. That's where a lot of us fuck up. Once it becomes WORK, we all want to quit and start over with someone new. But i'm prob'ly not telling you anything you don't already know huh?
on Apr 26, 2005
Marcie:
I'm going to disagree with you. Brandie is absolutely *BEAUTIFUL* to my eyes. But when a woman looks in the mirror...she doesn't see what everyone else sees. She tends to see all the flaws and imperfections. But this is just coming from someone who got clubbed with an ugly stick.


Thank you for that. And you're right. We are very hard on ourselves. I haven't seen a photo of you, but I have a difficult time imagining you as anything other than adorable.

I'm one of those women every day that has to wonder why her man is with her.


I know that feeling.

Great article, Brandie. Again, you hit the nail right on the head. And coming from another woman...I think you are *gorgeous*...in every way that a woman can be gorgeous. That little belly pooch ain't nothing, babe. You got a heart the size of Texas.


Thank you so much for the kind comments, Marcie. I'm glad you enjoyed the article.

Mino:
Tex, i think you misunderstood what i was trying to say concerning Jeanna Fine (the porn star). Jeanna Fine has a very nice body....but that is where it all ends. I do not find her so much as pretty or especially not beautiful. My wife on the other hand, I do...she turns me on just by walking into the room. I come home from work at night, and if she is in bed....it is tough for me to NOT maul her in bed.


This concept is a bit hard for me to wrap my female brain around, (not to mention that it kind of contradicts your comments about your wife not being sexy and that her losing weight would make her sexier), but I am very glad to hear from a man who is enraptured with his wife and who is willing to rave about his attraction to her, even if she doesn't look like a supermodel.

My wife, to me, has the sexy-hot AND the pretty-beautiful...all wrapped up in one. But, when i look at a porn star like Jeanna Fine, all i see is the sexy-hot.....


Ummm...okaaaay...but again, very nice to hear such compliments about your wife. Do you tell her this? Because if you don't, you should. She needs to hear that you think she's sexy-hot AND pretty-beautiful. Often.

Believe me...my wife DOES get me turned on...and that is just by seeing her.




imajinit:
While there are guys who 'only' give the time of day to women who look like they should be in Cosmo, there are just as many who can appreciate a woman who isn't perfect.


While this may be true, it often doesn't FEEL that way.

Beauty is beauty... what they put in Maxim is dictated by what we like to look at... it's not the other way around.


You do realize that the women in these magazines are dolled up with hours of hair and make up, thousand dollar clothes, creative lighting, and airbrushed to perfection? This is what you see day to day that inspires Maxim to feature it?

(btw, I don't mean to pick on Maxim, it's just the one that happened to come to mind when I was writing this)

I just don't agree that there are strict rules and rigid standards of what's beautiful in terms of what women appear in magazines. Angelina Jolie, Ashley Judd, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Jennifer Aniston... these women are not all carbon copies of one another. 9 out of 10 men would probably agree that they are HOT! but they're still not all the same.


Different in some ways, but the same in the ways I detailed (with the exception of hair color and bust size...but not perkiness) in the beginning of my article.

What if I say that I want someone who's pride in their appearance and dedication to staying in shape closely mirrors my own? Is that fair? Can't I have these 'lofty expectations' as long as i'm going to hold myself to the same standard? If I'm going to work out, eat right, and stay in shape, then why would I want to date someone that plans to 'let themselves go' after walking down the aisle?


Actually, I covered that in my reply to you. If a healthy lifestyle is important to you, it makes sense for you to seek out someone with the same values. I don't see anything hypocritical about that. That's you, though...that's not every man.

I don't know about the other guys, but I don't care what her nails look like... glasses? crooked teeth? This is what I was trying to say when i said that it's all just details... we all have our faults, and most of us realize that. I've dated women w/ crooked teeth, women with glasses, and women with acne.


Okay...but did you rave about how beautiful she was? Did glasses or acne or a crooked smile affect your feelings of desire for her? That's what I want to know.

BUT HERE'S THE KICKER! Would i date a woman w/ all of the above? probably not. I'm SUCH an asshole. But if i had acne, glasses and crooked teeth, I wouldn't be trying to date women that were 'out of my league' either.


Wow. I wouldn't call you an asshole, but it does seem a tad superficial. Glasses? Tons of body hair? Backne? Crooked teeth? I can't speak for all women, but a combo of these things is not a no-go for me. Maybe I'm a freak for thinking little quirks like these are fine and just a normal part of being human...dunno...

once again it's all in where you draw the line. There's nothing wrong with contacts in my book. Nor is there anything wrong with braces. or even tetracycline


Sure. And I realize that you're not suggesting that a woman must do these things in order to be attractive, but for many women, it may not be an option or a concern. I have a neighbor who wears glasses...she has acne scarring...and her teeth are very crooked (in order to fix it, a dentist would have to actually crack open a part of her face) and guess what? She might possibly be the most beautiful on the block.

because it's like rich kids speaking out for rights for poor people living in the ghetto... they can do it, but let's face it, they don't really know what it's like to be poor.


So people who are in a position that affords them visibility and influence should not champion causes that they have not personally experienced? I don't quite understand that.

I could debate this stuff with you all day and all night, because I think about it all the time.


I'm glad you've continued to comment...this is something I'm pretty passionate about, and I enjoy the debate.

What makes a woman beautiful
What makes a woman sexy
What makes a relationship last
What makes a marriage work

These things may run side by side w/ each other, they may intersect at times, they may coincide on a regular basis, but they are not always the same thing.


Mostly agree.

Beauty (mutual attraction?) gets you in the door, sexy keep us interested, sex gets us down the aisle, but eventually the relationship has to progress past these superficial things or its doomed.


I agree with that.

That's where a lot of us fuck up. Once it becomes WORK, we all want to quit and start over with someone new. But i'm prob'ly not telling you anything you don't already know huh?


I'm not sure what to make of that comment.
on Apr 26, 2005
SHE: I know a teacher in my district who met her fiancee at our gym. He's the absolute sweetest guy on earth. Going to the gym isn't a BAD thing...


Thanks for the hope. *chants to self* "There is love to be found after college" But first, I have to get fit and skinny enough for the gym... then you have to buy cute workout clothes and all that mess. I like sweating at home in old shorts and my sports bra. It ain't pretty, but I sure feel better.

And Tex, you have absolutely NOTHING to be envious about. I've seen your pics too. You are a hottie!
on Apr 27, 2005
SHE:

Babe...half the fun of the gym is looking. I know no one's looking at me...but it doesn't do me any harm to look!
on Apr 27, 2005
SHE:
And Tex, you have absolutely NOTHING to be envious about. I've seen your pics too. You are a hottie!


Hahhahaa...JU is good for my self-esteem. Thank you, that's very sweet.
on Apr 27, 2005

Speaking for myself, physical beauty only CATCHES my attention; it never holds it. I tend to people watch, and I have seen some less than remarkable women in the category of physical beauty who have been GORGEOUS in their actions.

But it doesn't mean I won't turn my head if Natalie Portman walks by!

on Apr 27, 2005
Great article Tex. You've made some very solid and valid comments. Your boys will be fine in your hands!
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