I came to this realization today as I was walking my children to school.  I saw a fat Soldier in his PTs with his fat knees and his chubby face and it just clicked.

All along I have tried to fight this because I get so annoyed by men, especially fat or otherwise physically less-than-ideal men, making negative comments about overweight women.  The beauty standards American women are held to are so obnoxious, and it was refreshing to think that at least one sex could still get by with being "real" and "average". 

I had it in my head that since I am no Jessica Alba, or Jessica Alba's slightly overweight, buck-toothed, but still kinda cute cousin, for that matter, I had no right to demand...or even appreciate...qualities like fitness in a man.  I even felt kind of wrong for having such a hot husband, and even more wrong when he would work out a lot and get buff.  It would be like having one awesome, perky breast and a sad little droopy bit of flesh with a diseased green nipple beside it.  Very uneven and just somehow...wrong.

But I like what I like, and you know what?  If ugly, flabby men can imagine themselves deserving the amorous attention of Angelina Jolie, then what's wrong with a size 12 goofball like me proclaiming that men with knee fat are unworthy of any perverted leering on my part?

I like that my husband takes care of his body.  I like that he's attractive.  And I would be less attracted to him (physically, anyways), if he put on a ton of weight and ended up a doughy weakling. 

I'm entitled to be shallow and adhere to double standards, too. 


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on Apr 04, 2007
Cacto: Ha. I actually don't think women always look bad a little heavier because I think women are meant to be soft, but doughy knees on a dude just seems wrong.


I dunno, I think anyone whose fat rolls over the top over their knees is just not hot.

I would like to say though that I am completely unsurprised that Lucas disagrees. Beggars can't be choosers.
on Apr 04, 2007
Cacto: Ha. I actually don't think women always look bad a little heavier because I think women are meant to be soft, but doughy knees on a dude just seems wrong.


I dunno, I think anyone whose fat rolls over the top over their knees is just not hot.

I would like to say though that I am completely unsurprised that Lucas disagrees. Beggars can't be choosers.
on Apr 04, 2007
You like what you like. I think when it comes to fantasy men, or women for that matter, we all go for the hot body over the out of shape one. In real life when you know the person it makes a huge difference. If they have a good heart and a great personality, you can overlook a little pudge. I think women in general are more forgiving than men.
on Apr 04, 2007
I'll go so far to say that I'm not attracted to: skinny guys, super-super buff guys (We're talking pro body builders) or guys with baby faces. I also prefer guys with facial hair, don't ask me why. I suppose the fact that my mother named me after Mrs. Claus makes me this way.

But, as Tex says, once fat starts falling over the knees, that's a bit too big for me.
on Apr 04, 2007
While I like my girls skinny and pettite. My girlfried doesn't like that in a guy, she doesnt' like the really fat or really muscle guys either. Which is I guess why we work out so well together.

Oh yeah, we updated our wedding website so you can see some pics for yourself. In some older ones I am fat as a cow, some I am really skinny (due to drugs), the recent pics I think I finally found my happy medium.

www.elizabethandgeoffrey.com
on Apr 04, 2007
All that is true. Guess it's what we are "trained" to like.

Whateva though, works for me.

And I know you were not referring to me, but I don't think many people simple dismiss non-pettite women. I find many "non-pettite" women hot as hell. I know a LOT of people who actually like their women bigger.

Besides, after kids not too many of you are pettite anymore anyway

(don't kill me girls)
on Apr 04, 2007
What I find disturbing (not referring to Caracarn here) is the automatic, out of hand dismissal of non-petite women.


No! You never wanna do that! There's nothin' like having more cushion for your pushin' you know...
  
on Apr 04, 2007
There's nothin' like having more cushion for your pushin' you know...


I was waiting for someone to say it.

Hey Tex, You might appreciate this:

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on Apr 04, 2007
Hehe, I think maybe I failed to convey my point properly (which I seem to be doing a lot lately, sorry guys). I don't mean that, were I unattached, I could not love a man who is very overweight (and in fact in my husband ever became extremely overweight it would *not* be game over). What I mean is that I've finally decided to embrace, rather than repress, my ideas of what "my type" is...and on a purely physical level, I like men without fat knees and girlish flabby arms.

I want a guy who looks like he might be able to weild a sword. Hahahaa.

LW: I understand what you're saying, and I agree, BUT (ha) if guys can be all shallow and stupid, why can't I?

Toblerone: Hehe. I think you need glasses!

cacto:
Beggars can't be choosers.


Damn skippy. (One of my favorite sayings, btw, the beggars and choosers, not the damnn skippy. Damn skippy is just a stupid thing to say. Haha.)

Loca: I definitely agree that women are more forgiving than men when it comes to appearances.

I think as guys age they become more accepting, though.

SHE: We probably have similar tastes in men, haha. I'm not too big on skinny guys. If a guy weighs less than me, I am super self-conscious and also feel like I'm the guy. Haha. You know, like I might need to kill spiders or fend off a purse snatcher. LOL.

Caracarn: Thanks for the url. It's so fun to see pics of the people we interact with on her, and your fiancee is definitely a hottie!

I understand (even though I may not like it!) that guys go for the small, toned chick with the razor blade hip bones. I don't think *love* depends on that, but for pure sexual attraction, thin is in. Which is why I decided I can be a pig and declare fat guys unattractive to me.

LW: Heh, I think you're right on the money with that.

I guess maybe instead of looking for real people, maybe we see it as a "wish list"? Like if I could have anything and everything I want, this is what it would be?

There's a guy in my neighborhood who has a big truck that's up on HUGE wheels. He has "Lift it. Fat chicks can't jump!" all over his truck.

When I see it I always think:

a) I can too. (haha)

and

I'd like to see this motherfucker and see how perfect he is that he can afford to declare fat chicks off-limits for his attention.


Caracarn: You're right about having kids. Well, not for all women (and I hate those women), but for most having kids trashes your body.

When I was younger all I saw was flaws and I picked on myself about them, but if I could look like that now, I'd wear a bikini to the grocery store. Haha.

Shovel: Is there a difference between fantasy girls you'd (by you I mean, like, guys in general) want to bed and the reality of what kind of girls would be fun/enjoyable in reality?

(Say you like the look of svelte women or whatever, but on a tactile level, a rounder woman is more attractive?)

Do you get what I'm asking? I'm having a hard time phrasing it.

SHE: Thanks for the link!
on Apr 04, 2007
Shovel: Is there a difference between fantasy girls you'd (by you I mean, like, guys in general) want to bed and the reality of what kind of girls would be fun/enjoyable in reality?


I call it the "WKRP in Cinncinnati syndrome" - Everybody was always all hot 'n bothered about Jennifer Marlowe (Loni Anderson's character) but...the one the guys reaaaallly wanted was Bailey Quarters. I think because she was more down to Earth, more...I dunno...obtainable? More...real? More maybe like home. heh, like you I...

I'm having a hard time phrasing it.


  

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on Apr 04, 2007
Me, I'm not superficial; I look at much more than just...whether they have 'the look'. I look at how/who they are on the inside.


First of all, being attracted to someone physically is NOT "superficial", Lucas, although I realize it's trendy to say so while you're in college, so I'll forgive you the obligatory college kid pomposity.

Secondly, I really doubt this is true. If you had someone come up to you whose body was covered with sores ooozing pus and who weighed approximately the same weight as your vehicle, I'm guessing you wouldn't give that girl a second chance, regardless of personality. You'd run the other way.

I have heard a lot of people brag on how they aren't hung up on looks, but I have never seen one of these people with a hideously ugly mate just because of their personality. Ever. John Merrick's phone never rang off the hook, ya know?

call it the "WKRP in Cinncinnati syndrome" - Everybody was always all hot 'n bothered about Jennifer Marlowe (Loni Anderson's character) but...the one the guys reaaaallly wanted was Bailey Quarters. I think because she was more down to Earth, more...I dunno...obtainable? More...real? More maybe like home. heh, like you I...


Or, Ginger vs. MaryAnn

on Apr 04, 2007
Or, Ginger vs. MaryAnn


...or Suzanne Somers vs. Joyce DeWitt (Three's Company)
on Apr 04, 2007
Caracarn: Thanks for the url. It's so fun to see pics of the people we interact with on her, and your fiancee is definitely a hottie!

What? I'm chopped liver? Lol, na, thanks for looking through them!
on Apr 04, 2007
I can cook, does that count for anything? I'm not a twig, but can any good cook be a twig?
on Apr 04, 2007
can any good cook be a twig?


Sure they can...

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