Persecution from the Bible-Toters
Published on September 13, 2007 By Texas Wahine In Blogging
Both of my boys have the same religious instruction. From infancy to about 7 years old my oldest son was immersed in religious instruction. We did Sunday School (most of the time, I even taught the class), we did VBS, we did fellowship dinners, and we did reinforcement at home with Bible stories and coloring books and "teachable moments". The same went for my younger son, only we stopped when he was around 4 years old.

My oldest child is an agnostic. My middle child is a believer.

Tonight Xavier was at Cub Scouts and one of his Christian friends decided to quiz him and a couple other children on Bible trivia. Xavier did poorly and when the children accosted him he told them he did not believe in God.

His "friend" wasted no time in telling him he was going to hell. He was then lectured on hell, which his Christian friends had determined to be his destination in the afterlife. He told his "friend" that he did not believe in Hell. His friend then began praying loudly for Xavier to know God and the Devil.

Xavier was a little put off by this, but I told him I was proud of him for standing up for his beliefs (or lackthereof) and for not being hateful about it. He was a little bothered by the prayer but I reminded him that it does not hurt him for people to pray for him so he shouldn't worry about it.

This is not the first time he has experienced persecution from his Christian chums.

Last year he stepped on a cockroach on the playground and another child told him he "killed God". Xavier told the child that he did not believe in God, and the child condemned him to hell on the spot. Further he told on Xavier and Xavier was chastized by the teacher on duty on the playground.

There have been other instances of this as well. It makes me wonder what Christian families are teaching their children. This is certainly not the appropriate way for a child to express care for a friend or an appropriate way for him to conduct outreach.

Ridiculing, condemning, and damning to eternal Hell a playmate who has not "found God" is hopefully not the type of thing Christian children are being taught in their homes and their churches.

Orian piped up, during our discussion of what went on during Cub Scouts, that he prays all the time and what he prays for comes true.

I think that's really sweet and I would never crush his belief.
I refuse to force Xavier to take on the yoke of something that he feels no connection with, though. I don't think his lack of belief makes him any less of a good kid, a good student, a good friend, or a good Scout. So long as he respects the beliefs of others, his thoughts on God or eternity or any other spiritual matter should be of no concern to anyone else.

It is taboo for a child not to believe in God, but in America, it is his right.
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on Sep 13, 2007

Objectivity is not something the radically religious are generally capable of.  For them, behaving poorly towards "non-believers" is a right, just and holy act, and something they would want their children to emulate.  I would bet that the parents of the kid in question who went after Xavier would praise their child for doing the right thing... fighting God's fight.

on Sep 13, 2007
There's this completely wrong theory out there that the more 'Christian' someone is, the worse they behave towards non-believers. It's completely false, based on the definition of a Christian. The more Christian someone is, the more love they show for EVERYBODY. The people behaving poorly are the ones who are the least Christian.
on Sep 14, 2007
Last year he stepped on a cockroach on the playground and another child told him he "killed God".


S'okay cause there are about 50 million 'gods' living under my house who regularly raid my kitchen. I can put one in a matchbox and mail it to you, if you'd like 'god' back in your life. Or Xavier could take it to school and tell his friend he knows heaven on Earth because a friend of Mommy's sent him 'god' from Australia   
on Sep 14, 2007
Yikes! Ditto on what Gid said. There isn't much more to say I guess. Except that I will do everything in my power to not raise kids like those.
Poor Xavier, and brave kid!

I have no idea about the cockroach thing. I'm not sure that was a Christian...or maybe he misinterpreted something.
on Sep 14, 2007
There's more to this. While Madeline Murray O'Hare was not by most accounts a generally fun person to be around, it was after her own children were persecuted in a similar fashion, only by the teachers, that she began her campaign to end prayer in schools. Had the students and faculty at her childrens' school simply shown a little tolerance, that is a battle that might never have been fought.

Oh, but don't teach Christians to "Love one another". Most HATE that message. I've found that out firsthand.
on Sep 14, 2007
Not that I'm defending these other children's actions by any means, but some kids have a very cut and dried sense of their faith. Either you do or you don't, and if you do, you go to heaven, and if you don't you go to hell. I don't think that kids can understand the larger, intricate concepts of the Christian faith. Heck, I'm coming up on thirty and I know that I don't understand just the tip if it all, you know?

That being said, I think that it says alot about you as a parent how Xavier reacted to these other kids, and I think it's neat that you encourage your kids to explore these issues and make their own choices.

I don't know, B. I'm not a mom. This is some sticky stuff. I think the best you can do is teach your kids to take the high road like you're doing.

Lots of people who claim to be CHristian think they get to be Christian only when they want to, and that the principles only apply to them when its convenient. And that gets passed on to their kids, too. I pray that God gives me the strength and the courage to be a full-time Christian and the understanding to teach my kids that the way to treat other people is with kindness, no matter what they believe.
on Sep 14, 2007
Not that I'm defending these other children's actions by any means, but some kids have a very cut and dried sense of their faith. Either you do or you don't, and if you do, you go to heaven, and if you don't you go to hell. I don't think that kids can understand the larger, intricate concepts of the Christian faith.


For lots of Christians there aren't any, and frankly I'd say that those who do believe in these convenient swathes of grey probably aren't very good Christians.

I went to Catholic schools and my experience was that no one ever trusted or particularly liked the god squads. They were too earnest, too ugly, too self-involved to be good friends and they hid all the faults that make people interesting. When you do manage to uncover said faults they generally turned out to be shockingly horrific and more than a little sexually deranged (eg the possibly mythical Mormon sex clothes to prevent unnecessary immodesty, or loving jesus just a little too much).

Obsessive belief in anything is unhealthy and fundamentally self-destructive, but that seems to be what the true believers in Christianity demand.

If I was you Tex I'd probably tell my kids to run with it. So the others reckon Xavier's going to hell? Capitalise on it then! Step on all the cockroaches and then, when they say 'you killed God' then tell them that he's their god now cos he killed the old one, so they can worship him instead. Probably won't work but then again they probably won't pick on him again, so all's well that ends well.
on Sep 15, 2007

Anything that makes one kid feel superior to others can be used by bullies.  It says a lot more about the bully than it says about their weapon of choice.

I'm glad to hear you raise your kids the way you see fit.  That's how we should all be.

on Sep 15, 2007
Yea this is more human nature than bad parenting. If you through one toy between two toddlers, you’ll soon have one crying toddler, life teaches this very early on and even the best parent is not going to be able to unlearn this in their child.

If you teach a child the concept of heaven and hell, it will be used in their struggle to come out on top in social situations no matter how much you tell them were all equal.
on Sep 15, 2007
Reply By: stubbyfinger


Cookie for you!

It's highly possible that these children were just trying to establish pecking order. I have my own tiny three person experiment going on in my home lately. Now that they can all move around a bit no pacifier is safely rooted in a mouth and no toy in a hand.

I think it's really cool that you let them have their own experience now Tex. I think it will save some time later in life where most folks tend to question the things that they have always believed.

Now in keeping with my recent tradition and my absolute avoidance of making a life with triplets now the 8.5 month addition blog...

Here's a photo of them in their costumes!


on Sep 16, 2007
oh my goodness, jj, they are so cute.  Now you need to pose them as see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.  I can't believe how quickly they are growing.  Tiny babies just don't stay tiny long enough. 
on Sep 16, 2007
Pretty cute, I like how the picture seems to show three distinct personalities.

From left to right; “wait I’ll handle this”, “just don’t let him take my banana”, “I don’t think he knows what he’s doing”.
on Sep 16, 2007
Adorable, john!
on Sep 17, 2007
John those are beautiful children!

They are gettings so BIG. I know people always say that...but they really are. Do they sleep through the night yet?
on Sep 18, 2007

if he needs to make up one to fit his needs.
No thanks we have too many made up gods as it is.

Texaii, you assume too much in expecting religion to be tolerant.

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