I feel so much guilt right now.  I think I may have done something really bad.

I woke Orian up this morning at 7 am.  I made sure he was awake (this was after waking up his brother).  I told him to get dressed and come downstairs for breakfast. 

When I got downstairs I changed and dressed the baby, drank a glass of OJ/water, made 2 bowls of cereal and put them on the dining room table, and sat down with my laptop and nursed the baby while checking my email and JU and all that.

At 7:15 am I called up to Orian and he was not ready.  I encouraged him to hurry because his breakfast was waiting for him.

At 7:30 am I called up to Orian and then asked Xavier to check on him.  Xavier assured me that Orian was awake and would be right down.

At 7:45 am I went upstairs to check on him and discovered that he was sitting on the floor in his underwear doing absolutely nothing, and had been doing nothing for 45 minutes.  I told him he would need to get ready quickly because he was late and running out of time for breakfast.

7:45 am is actually a good time to leave the house to walk to school.  Any later and we get into must-drive-and-drop-off territory, which I try not to do unless I have an appointment or something (or Orian's leg is hurting, which it isn't anymore...it seems to be healed now and he no longer has any complaint with it). 

7:50 am Orian is still upstairs.  I go upstairs and find that he is still sitting in the floor in his underwear, clutching a shirt.  I rush him down the stairs, complaining that he is late.  FINALLY he says, "I can't find any pants." 

THAT was his reasoning for why he sat on the floor in his underwear for FIFTY MINUTES.  I was so pissed off.  He had clean jeans and shorts in the dryer (the rest are in the boys' bathroom floor because apparently we need to go through laundry boot camp for them to understand that I can't wash what I don't have, and putting laundry in a HAMPER instead of THE FLOOR is their responsibility).  If he had asked, I could have easily told him this.  He would have been dressed by no later than 7:15 am, with 30 minutes to eat breakfast and dick around.

I was angry at how he chose to spend his morning, angry at the fact that his laziness made HIS BROTHER late, and further, just ANGRY.

So he came downstairs IN HIS UNDERWEAR.  He didn't even bother to put his shirt on.  I put his shirt on him (quite roughly) and then gave him his pants which he put on slowly as if he were savoring a dessert.  This pissed me off further.

It was far too late for him to sit and eat cereal and yuk it up.  I told him so, in a not very sweet way.  I told him he had wasted too much time and there was no time for breakfast.  I told him that he would get hungry at school and when his stomach growled I wanted him to remember why -- because he sat around all morning instead of getting ready. 

And then I took him to school WITHOUT breakfast.

I feel so guilty and I know this is *exactly* the kind of thing that make teachers worry about kids.  No breakfast, no brain food.  Too hungry, can't concentrate. 

I could have given him a bar to eat in the car on the way, but honestly, I *wanted* him to feel uncomfortable until lunch time because this morning sloth leading to frantic lateness is a habit for him and I want to crush it.  I know Adrian wouldn't be upset with me;  he would approve.  But I'm upset with me.  It's a terrible thing to do to a kid.

I am so sad for him.  I think maybe I made a really bad decision. 


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on Apr 23, 2007
I think Orian got a good education today about thinking things through and consequences. And I think the guilt you're feeling is over the anger you felt at his willfull assing around about getting ready to go. But no matter if what you did was "right" or "wrong" (I kinda think what you did was probably more right than it was wrong, BTW), kids are tough Brandie and they survive and make it in spite of us. Forgive yourself and let it go.
on Apr 23, 2007


Just Kidding

Come on he will forgive you, he knows you love him and I am sure he loves you.
on Apr 23, 2007
I'm inclined to agree with Shovelheat. Some lessons aren't fun to learn, but they are necessary. If this is a habit with him, he needs to learn the consequences of his actions, and this is a good, non-violent, non-harmful way of doing that. He isn't going to starve -- he'll eat lunch, then he'll eat dinner. I'm sure you'll explain your actions to him so that he understands that his actions come with consequences, and then you two will be fine.

I always thought the line, "This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you." was just phooey, but in your case, it may very well be true. From everything I've read, you seem like a great mom. Your agonizing over this punishment just makes me believe that even more.
on Apr 23, 2007
Don't be too hard on yourself. He wasn't ill, and that's the most important thing. This time it was because of his inactions. I've been there before with my son. He's learned that he has responsibilities too and doesn't repeat those things, like what Orian did, anymore. Yes, he used to do it. I stopped running behind him and babying him and freaking out because all it did was made me angry, me have a guilty worried morning and him stressed going to school. My mantra I repeat to him now to remind him, "If you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail". He understands this now and makes every effort to do what he has to do. He's 12 going on 13.
on Apr 23, 2007
Shovel: Thanks.

I think you're right. I feel more guilty because I don't think I treated him with kindness. As Poison demonstrated/mentioned (?) I was kind of mean to him. I was just so sick of it.

I did apologize in the car, but apologies don't undo things that have been done.

I worry about him being too hungry at school though since I know he only picks at his lunch. I will have a good snack ready for him when he gets home from school.

I really appreciate what you have to say Shovel. It was really helpful.

Poison: Yeah, I was mean.

He and I are pretty close, so I don't think I've caused any permanent damage but I hate that I was so harsh. I hate his little tears.

SHE: Right. Well, I'm all about natural consequences. I just worry that maybe I went too far with this one. I know it's not harmful long term, but maybe it's not right to send him to school without eating.

I just wanted him to remember it and be motivated to get things done in the future.

I always thought the "hurts me more than hurts you" line was BS, too, but I can guarantee parents agonize over these things. When my children are sad, it does hurt me deep inside.

It is a barrier to good discipline for me because there are times I overlook things I shouldn't just because I want them to be happy.
on Apr 23, 2007
FS: I like what you do with your son. I may post that quote on some construction paper and talk with the boys about it and how it applies to them (and me).

I typically have the boys get their clothes ready the night before, but I am not completely up to speed right now, and that's my fault. I guess I can't expect more from them than what I am giving myself.

They did a top-notch job cleaning their rooms yesterday, though, and little Orian worked really hard cleaning the dining room table (cleared the trash, put away clutter, vacuumed the crumbs, scrubbed the surfaces and the placemats). I am ready for them to help more, but I tend to take over and do things myself because I don't feel like they've been done well enough otherwise.
on Apr 23, 2007
Whoa, you are way too hard on yourself. But I can relate. We sent one of the boys to bed with no dinner once and I think I cried myself to sleep. It was a last ditch effort at getting a point across and it worked.

I sooooo understand the frustration. At least you didn't beat him
on Apr 23, 2007
I never eat breakfast...and I'm a freakin' genius. Actually everytime I eat something in the morning and go do something it makes me nauseous...so I figured I'd rather be a tad hungry than feeling sick.

I've also been known to space out a lot early in the morning...like right when I'm supposed to wake up I'll sit there and just stare and go into a trance...it's weird, but I usually get a move on in a few minutes.

You shouldn't beat yourself up about it...one missed meal isn't going to hurt him. Training children...err, teaching children is a lot like training an animal(except kids are usually less hairy)...food rewards work wonders.

~Zoo
on Apr 23, 2007

geeezeeeeeeeeee tex.... slow down kid, yer letting guilt over a minor matter kill you..

he needed a simple lesson, you gave it to him, he will neither starve before lunch, nor faint dead away, he will learn to obey his mom or there will be other lessons to learn, not so nice lessons. You are teaching him responsibility, promptness and respect for house rules, all with the simplicity of having him skip a meal.

on Apr 23, 2007
Jill: It's *very* reassuring to hear (read?) that you've had a similar experience. The guilt is just killer, isn't it?

I'm glad to hear your son learned from the experience. I hope Orian does too.

Zoo: I'm the same way. Not a big breakfast fan.

He's a little guy, though, and he doesn't like to start his day without breakfast.

Thanks for your input.

LW: Thank you. I needed to hear that.

I agree, it is much better for him to learn this now to a) avoid scrambling every single day from here on out and to prepare him for what he will face as an adult.

I am a guilty-feeling person in general, but gosh, when it comes to my kids, having to be hard on them really hurts. Which is why it's good when Adrian is around. He is better at discipline because I am too tender-hearted with the kids. I think he balances me out.

PS - Jennifer and Poison do seem very similar.

MM: You're right. In the grand scheme of things, it is minor. Haha, if only it felt that way. You guys have all made me feel much better about it though.

Thanks for the reassurance, and I liked the way you summed it up. It didn't feel simple, it felt agonizing, but in reality, it was very simple and not hardly the torture I feel like it was.
on Apr 23, 2007

Definitely not something you should be beating yourself up over.  Not your fault at all that the child wasn't cooperating and wasn't trying to solve any problems along the way.

Do use it as a learning experience, and help the child understand what was wrong along the way.

While it would have been nice to get him some food to help him start his day off, him leaving you frantic to get get things done didn't leave time for that to happen.  Not your fault at all, and besides, learning that lesson the hard way one time should help go a long way to helping prevent it from having to happen again.

on Apr 23, 2007
terp: In the past I have allowed him to sit down and eat, making both him and his brother, who is responsible in the morning, late for school. Or I give him a bar to eat on the way to school.

This morning something snapped and I just decided I was done with that. I just wanted him to understand why it matters.

Thanks for your advice. I'm glad to hear that other parents don't think this is an excessively horrible thing to do.
on Apr 23, 2007

By the way, I wound up going serious with my initial reply, but started to use the opportunity of your headline to query whether or not you were going to be posting about having added a comment to a Clueless Old (geezer) Liberal's latest rants...    If you haven't done that, then you aren't even close to having done something horrible 

(Of course there are other things that are bad, and you know I'm just jokin' you here...)

on Apr 23, 2007
It's not something you do on a regular basis, so don't feel too bad about it.

As for the kids who say they NEVER eat breakfast (I have a few in my class)...now those are the ones I worry about.
on Apr 23, 2007
As for the kids who say they NEVER eat breakfast (I have a few in my class)...now those are the ones I worry about.


I hate eating breakfast and then doing some kind of moving around...it just doesn't agree with me. Anything after 10AM though is fine because in my book that counts as lunch.

~Zoo
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